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Student walkout
Chippewa Falls Senior High School students pour out of the doors at the start of the school day Thursday. They were protesting Gov. Scott Walker's state budget repair bill. Photo by Mark Gunderman

A few hundred Chippewa Falls Senior High School students walked out of school at the beginning of the school day Thursday in protest of Gov. Scott Walker’s budget repair bill that would virtually end teacher collective bargaining rights.

The protest began right after the start of the opening period at 8:35 a.m. A student’s voice came over the intercom and asked students opposed to Walker’s plans to go to the Cardinal (east end) doors.

As the students gathered just outside the door, senior Ryan Kahl, wearing a pressed blue dress shirt and a necktie, addressed them.

“This is a peaceful demonstration,” he said. “This is in support of our teachers, guys. Be smart and be courteous.”

The students planned to march to the Chippewa County Courthouse at 711 N. Bridge St.

Prior to the walkout, Chi-Hi Principal James Sauter said he had heard that some students planned a protest, but it was not something the school administration was supporting or encouraging.

The student protest mirrored others around the state Wednesday and Thursday.

On Wednesday, about 700 to 800 students poured through the doors of La Crosse’s Central High School and lined a block of adjacent Losey Boulevard, cheering to honks from passing cars and waving handmade signs. Between 200 and 400 students demonstrated at Logan High School in La Crosse for an hour and listened to speeches by two classmates.

About 700 students left Holmen High School, walking to the village hall and back in a demonstration. Several hundred students lined a city block in Tomah.

Some Chippewa Falls teachers were missing class today so they can attend a protest in Madison of Walker’s bill.

At least three teachers are gone today, said Kathy Schultz, the director of human resources for the district. Four teachers attended a similar protest earlier this week.

Schultz explained that under their contract, members of the Chippewa Falls Federation of Teachers can take up to 10 “full service leave” days each school year.

The union has to pay for the substitute teacher when one of those days is used, she explained. And the teacher taking the leave day is not paid for that day.

Reporters from other Lee Newspapers contributed to this report.

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Rainbird

The students grasp something the parents can't seem to understand.

JustMyOpinion

The administration didn't encourage the students but allowed one to interrupt classes and instruct students to leave over the intercom? Ya ok. Sad.

lake2

No, these students do not grasp what is happening. Their teachers are absent, leaving the students with subs. It is a free day at school. These are ignorant students with no concept of how this budget affects their lives. Teaching these individuals about budget deficits, taxation, and inability of the government to continue to provide entitlements would be educational.

CFHunter

And they wonder why referendums fail. I bet you would not have seen this if it was 20 below the last few days. Can I get a pro-rated tax break for this? My tax dollars are not for this.

jhordann37

this was an awesome thing my classmates and myself did, in my eyes, it brings hope to this state and to this country as well.

hallie

Administration is not supporting the students, but allowed them to use the PA system! Obviously the teachers are brain washing the students. I bet if it was -10F outside today the students would not be interesting in marching around for a cause that they know very little about! Private industry and the general public supports the State of Wisconsin's actions.

Rainmaker

The students are getting involved. What is wrong with that? The students might not be deep in the understanding of all angles, but at least they are taking their first step to running this country. I'd rather see this than the pitiful APATHY our current generation demonstrates with today's democracy. Low voter turnout. Local government meetings with now citizens in attendance. This is the democracy at its finest hour when people march for a cause. Support them.

jhordann37

Many of our teachers were present the past few days, some are very proud that we took a stand and didnt just sit back while people's lives are being ruined because of this bill. all people have a voice, when we come together is when it is the loudest. today we came prepared with knowledge, we know exactly what is going on, keep in mind we are well educated individuals because Wisconsin has an awesome education system, this bill will ruin it though. we are just standing up for what we believe in

CountyRes

Nobody's lives are being ruined here. They are being asked to contribute to their insurance and pensions on a level (and maybe not even on the level)that people pay in the private sector. Collective bargaining? It's time these guys get their head out of the sand and see (just a little bit) what it's like to be working in the private sector. Nobody gets to 'Not come in to work today'. Whoever bailed at Chi-Hi should be suspended as they would if it were a real job. Actions have consequences.

Keepin it Real

First I respect everyone's right to Protest. I hope the Teacher's that participated don't expect to get paid for this. Next I hope the students that chose to participate have to make up the time for being Truant. On a bigger note I hope the teacher's and other Community Leaders don't miss the opportunity to teach the students about Economics. We have a $3.6 billion dollar short fall how do we balance the budget and it can't be all Let's Raise Taxes.

CFHunter

I find it hard to believe this will ruin lives. My wife works for the state and yes this will cost us some extra dollars each month but look at what it is buying. A top rated insurance plan and a pension. Most private sector workers don't know what a pension even is because they are do not exist anymore. If this was offered to the whole state as a replacement for what they have now people would jump all over it.

JustMyOpinion

I get the students are supporting teachers and I would've been tempted to in high school as well bc I loved majority of my teachers. But these highschool students DO NOT fully understand what is happening. They do not work full time jobs, pay medical bills, support a family, etc what goes along with being an adult. So of course they are going to think teachers are being picked on but may think different when they join the real world and only make $25k/yr...half what their teachers make.

CFHunter

Please publish the teachers names who did not show up for work.

an80sreaganite

I freely admit, I am the product of a misspent youth. It was misspent being brainwashed by crazy left wing teachers who'd be eaten alive if forced to work in the corporate world. There were (are) some honorable ones who spouted their right-wing beliefs and drove me crazy at the time. About the time I realized I was on the wrong side, I remembered one of my teachers (the ring-winger) saying how if I didn't like what he said, I'd better vote to cancel his. I do. I'll bet he's smiling now....

mom202

I'm glad my children no longer attend Chippewa Falls School's if this is what they are being taught. I know some kids that do and they have said teachers bring in their political agenda into classrooms. The school my high school daughter attends has taught her twice as much as she was being taught at Chi-Hi but the sad thing is that I can not stop paying my hard earned money to a School District that my kids do not attend.

an80sreaganite

These kids have no idea what they are doing, and the people of the school district ought to a refund of their tax dollars for allowing these kids out of school.

The entire education system is a crock and needs to be retooled. Educating kids by age makes no sense and is incredibly unproductive. Until now, the unions had a stranglehold on the education system. Now some real education reforms can take place allowing great teachers to flourish and bad ones to do something more productive..

adfgad

ok not to be mean or anything but if you werent ther please dont diss this. and we do know more about it than you may think i was there videoing everything and ryan was very informed and informed the people.and if it was your job you would be protesting too. it could be -100 out and we would still be walking. just because you werent there dont be jealous and draw attention to yourself by complaining.we all support the teachers and dont want this bill to pass.

Keepin it Real

For the so Called Teachers that didn't show up perhaps we should do what Reagan did in the 1980's when the Air Traffic Controllers walked off there jobs. They didn't have them anymore. I know many good folks waiting to get in to a School District to Teach. I agree with the other person's comments please include the Teachers names that called in sick. Again my Tax Paying dollars go towards what you do please remember that.

adfgad

most of these high school students do more than you think they do pay for their own things. so dont think were just ignorent kids because were not i dont think you should be saying anything if you were supported by your parents through your whople life and yes my parents helped me but i wont take anything i desserve or i havent worked for.

Keepin it Real

adfagad... I worked from the time I was 15 years old and through out high school. You should concentrate more on your schooling you spelled several words wrong and didn't use good punctuation. I'm sure you are paying for somethings as you should and I think that's great. Some Teachers are very good but as in any business I'm sure you have some not giving you both sides of the Story. Enjoy your studies you have a lot to learn still as do I.

reader111

adfgad, obviously you need to go back to school and finish your education so you can sound somewhat educated when speaking about "adult" issues. This is no way affects children in school. This also in no way will affect teachers losing their jobs. All the Governor is asking for is that union people pay what the rest of us do. If they agree to be treated like normal people and pay the same amounts we do, the state could save 300 million dollars thus less layoffs.

reader111

Teachers are not losing their jobs, they just have to be held accountable for the same things we do in the private sector. They called in sick, why not picket? Why not show your face in public so the children can see your dis-satisfaction. Why hide behind our children. My child is at school taoday and did not walk out for one reason, my child wants an education! My child loves her teachers, but this isn't the childrens fight, it's the ones being affected. Stop hiding behind my child!

mamamia

For Keepingitreal...it's attitudes like yours that show we need the unions. Get real, companies w/o unions are already crapping on all their employees because they can get away with it. In fact our republican govt encourages it. It's all about how much the businesses can make or all our jobs wouldn't be moving overseas. If more people were fortunate to have pensions, we wouldn't have the struggling seniors trying to keep up with household and medical bills. Kids should be thinking about govt!

mamamia

Teachers are people and teaching our kids. If they went to Madison, we should be proud that they are setting an example by standing up for your belief.
Mom202--- kids are subjected to different political beliefs everywhere unless you keep them completely shielded. I feel its better they are informed especially since they are the future of this country. The church pushes it political views in mass....do you find this okay as well?

JustMyOpinion

adfgad- Do you work 50 hr work weeks and go to school? These things you speak of that high school students pay would they include ALL of the following I pay: Water/Sewer,Garbage,Electricity,Mortagage/Rent,Cell Phone,Gasoline,Insurance,Car Note,Groceries,Medical Bills,Student Loans,Credit Card Payments,401k,Stock Trading,HSA,Dental,Medical,etc?I think most highschoolers mainly pay for gasoline,entertainment,clothing.Enjoy being a teenager while you can once you join real world you will understand

JustMyOpinion

mamamia-If they went to Madison, we should be proud that they are setting an example by standing up for your belief. -you stated. YES! Absolutely but on their own time is the issue!! They are calling in sick and having a "Teacher Skip Day" to go protest. This is what you call setting an example?! What's the big fuss about "Senior Skip Day" then? Wow, is there anyone out there that sees my point of view?

reader111

mamamia, you say "It's all about how much the businesses can make or all our jobs wouldn't be moving overseas". OF COURSE!!! It is all about the money, that's why people go into for profit business. If they didnt want to make money they would start a non-profit business. If we want the gov't to regulate all corporations then we need to become China and let the gov't regulate everything. If I own a business and can only pay my employees little, thats their choice to accept the pay.

Alan_Shore

STUDENTS -- Good for you-- until today there has been no real indication that you kids are aware of whats going on.

Don't let the mopes here discourage you.

mamamia

I'm sure you've never called in sick at your job & did something else? If the teachers are allowed 10 sick days per year, they can use them as they see fit. If they've already used up all their days, then that's a different story. The same with our vacation time at our jobs- we use it as we see fit.

Keepin it Real

mamamia....... Sorry you don't know me to even make that statement, it's very schalow. I've been on both sides of it and have worked with and supported Unions and negotiated with Unions. Again most likely you're getting caught up in the hoopla. Businesses have declined in pay and benefits for their employees due to the economy yet they are still the largest employers... If we didn't have them who would Pay your Union Wage and of course your Union Retirement Plan. You can't keep taxing me....

OVERPAID


If you're wondering how overpaid teachers are... see for yourself!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

OVERPAID

If you're wondering how overpaid teachers are... see for yourself!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

Alan_Shore

Good for you students - until today there has been no real indication that you were aware of whats going on.

Dont be discouraged by the mopes here....

JustMyOpinion

Alan_Shore- Kind of hard for students not to know about it when teachers are discussing it in class and pushing their views on the students.

-Mope

Ajc_cf627

Calling the students "ignorant" and accussing them of not being able to fully grasp the situation is uncalled for unless you have actually met and spoke w/them. Many of these so called ignorant students will be able to vote soon if not already. I hope when that time comes you won't be standing at the polls giving I.Q tests to tell thim if they are smart enough or well informed enough to vote. State what you know or someone could accuse you of being ignorant.

Merlin

It's clear by the comments here that there is an entire "class" of people who think they are "entitled".

Why do I have to pay for YOUR health care when I can barely afford my own? Why do YOU get mandatory raises every year when I haven't had one in 5? Why do I have pay for YOUR retirement while I haven't been able to put anything away for 3 years now?

Bottom line, it's time to share the responsibility. I am done watching YOU live a better life at my expense.

Optimistic One

What a group of immature wimps - now you're using the 'kids' as shields again. Man up and handle this like adults. Afterall, don't you brag about how you're the leaders of everything, doing the jobs parents can't, and how it's all for the children? Weasels on the entitlement wagon.

Here's why Walker is right and you're going to lose this:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/116355379.html

GOOD LUCK!

RushHatesAmericans

Look at me! I'm on the internets! I can say what I want because my opinion is so important! Where's Merlin and his/her insufferable BS!?

OVERPAID

If you're wondering how overpaid teachers are... see for yourself!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

mom202

To the person who said the church is pushing a political agenda I have no problem with my priest suggesting that all life is sacred from conception to natural death. I don't want my children taught by a liberal teacher who I pay through my taxpayer dollars. At least I now have control of my childs schooling and don't have to rely on liberal leaning teachers.
I just heard that some school districts are requiring teacher to prove that they are sick. Now I heard that the Democrats are in hiding.

hallie

Yes indeed the teachers may get 10 sick days a year. But if they are using it for something other than being sick, they should be fired! Where I work (public sector) sick days are used for when you get sick, not for when I want an extra day off!

taxpayer128

Here are the local superintendent and school board members email addresses.
I suggest everyone email them asking for their opinion as to how the high school staff
handled this event and how a "student" was allowed to announce this over the pa system.
hughestr@chipfalls.k12.wi.us
board@chipfalls.k12.wi.us
Can I pull students from their classes to protest things on my agenda?
Its obvious, after talking with a couple of students, that they have one side of the story,
I think its called propaganda.

Alan_Shore

Merlin- I'm ANTI UNION but I more opposed to government over-reaching. Governor Walker appears to be amputating an arm rather than putting a cast on it. Amputation of a fractured limb is sometimes necessary-but THIS SEEMS EXCESSIVE.

I'm confused perhaps you can help me understand this-

Didnt the "governors office" have an obligation to negotiate in good faith???- Walker asked Doyle to delay negotations- HE NEVER SAID- he would abolish Unions and collective bargaining?
Isnt that bad faith

republican

Lets just hope Walker can pass this to make the selfish teachers and state works that have been riding our coat tails pay back some of that money weve given them. Im sorry but if you can justify why you think a high school teacher needs such bennies i will listen but honestly i learned more from the internet then i did sitting in a Chi-Hi classroom.

OVERPAID

If you're wondering how overpaid teachers are... see for yourself!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

Rainmaker

What a great lesson in DEMOCRACY! I am very proud of the students who stepped up for a cause they believe in--their education. These students are the future of our country.

Alan_Shore

FYI:Public education has been an American "public policy disaster" for nearly 45 years. After having spent around Five trillion dollars on public schools since 1965, the result has been a steady and inexorable decline in every measurable standard of student performance, to say nothing of health and safety.

You cant blame pensions and health care and you also cant blame Unionization or collective bargaining.

this seems like Gov. Walker amputating an arm as opposed to putting a cast on it.

chip_girl

This answers why when going through town just now there were about a dozen high school kids wandering around. I hope they will have to make this day up at the end of the school year.

ReelBuilder

First I have to commend the teachers that are sticking up for the the public employees and the kids that think they are doing the same. This is what makes our country great, wrong or right we can stand up in what we believe in! However when did it become ok to use our kids for their agends?I've been told Sauter himself announced the walk out over the pa! if this is true he should be forced to resign! As for the teachers go across the street for a job, then lets here about a pay cut!

Ashley

Thankfully there are some bright students who understand the logic behind Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Bill. My brother, a Chi-Hi junior, asked many intelligent questions last night about benefits, collective bargaining, the public and private sectors, and the state's mammoth deficit. He understands that this bill will help our state solve its fiscal mess. And today, as his fellow students left school to protest, he stayed in his seat wearing a Scott Walker t-shirt. I couldn't be more proud

OVERPAID


First name James
Last name Sauter
Year and session 2009/10
Highest degree Doctorate L
ocal experience 1.4
Salary $92,938
Fringe $38,461
Position title P
rincipal assign descript No
Description Beyond Position
Low grade served K4
High grade served 12
Bilingual code No
Full time equivalency 100%
Work site Chippewa Falls Area Sch Dist / Chippewa Falls High County name Chippewa County

Read more: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166/DataMine-Search-Wisconsin-tea

RushHatesAmericans

There he is!

Rainmaker

Ashley. Good for your brother. Thats what I'm talking about. Whether he walked or decided to stay and wear his shirt, at least he is engaged in the process. Hats off to him.

Rainbird

How much do you feel a Phd should be making? I am guessing he spent about 100,000 and eight years of his life getting this degree. How many of you anti-union, anti-teacher, anti-intelligence, ney-sayers have invested so much in your futures?

It is the students who are the most effected by this and realize it effects them the most. This is their future. To live in a state where the corporation has been lifted above labor. When unions get busted, it hurts all workers, union and otherwise.

Alan_Shore

Ashley , your so precocious – I like how you -presume- that mimicking your OWN ideals makes your little brother smarter than those who didn’t wear a Walker t-shirt and exercise their right to protest a government action they disagree with.

I appreciate a person who doesn’t understand a conflict and then abstains from participating in it.

And under that –presumption I'm proud of yer lil Bro too…..


Rainbird

Overpaid, why don't you cross post it again???? Surely someone has missed it.

Merlin, I think you are a little confused about what an entitlement is. These are people who have taken low paying jobs for years because 1) They feel it is important and the Merlin's of the world can't/won't take care of the children. and 2) The stability and benefit package somewhat evens things out for the long hours and the ridicule of the public.

mom202, two words for you, Home School. ..Oh yeah and good luck

reader

Wonder what the pay equals to when you figure in 188 work days at 8 hours a day?

OVERPAID

Rainbird.... one doesn't need a PHD to check hall passes.

OVERPAID

This one plays duck-duck-goose all day!!!

First name Sherry
Last name Perrin
Year and session 2009/10
Highest degree Bachelor's degree
Local experience 3.5
Salary $98,081
Fringe $27,871 Position title
Teacher assign descript
Physical Education
Low grade served KG
High grade served 04
Bilingual code No
Full time equivalency 75%
Work site Spooner Area Sch Dist / Spooner Elementary

Rainbird

[quote]reader said: "Wonder what the pay equals to when you figure in 188 work days at 8 hours a day?"[/quote]

Show me the teacher that works that schedule. What you don't know about teachers is a lot.

tildenres

To jhordann:

With the gammer in you post you should have attended class today. Start a sentence with a cap.

chippewaresident

TEACHERS AT CHI-HI DISGUST ME! I have a niece who is in high school and was part of the protest today. When I talked to her earlier I asked her why she was protesting and she said, "Because my teachers said that if this bill passes they will lose their homes and I really like my teachers." WOW! Unbelievable! These teachers are brainwashing their students and should be ashamed of themselves!!!

I Love Chippewa

Rainbird give me an example of low pay and long hours. Are you talking private and public teachers?

reader111

The point is that the teachers who this is all about did not show up to school today to teach our children. Not only didn't they show up, they are using our children as puppets and feeding them one side of the story so they protest and miss school. All the while the teachers are sitting at home while the kids do all the work. I realize this is a bad issue for teachers, but they need to protest on their own time and leave their opinions to themselves, not teach our children political schemes.

reader111

I worked somewhere where they charged me more for benefits so they could stay in business. I didnt call in sick and protest, it;s a fact of life. If this state wants to be "open for business" then it needs to get it's finances in order to do it. Either they deal with the changes or they lose their job. I realize teachers are underpaid for what they do, but so are millions of others. If you don't like it, find another job. I don't know any business that wouldn't fire people for doing this.

chihistudent

[quote]tildenres said: "To jhordann:With the gammer in you post you should have attended class today. Start a sentence with a cap."[/quote]

You, my friend, should go BACK to school and learn how to spell grammar.

chihistudent

To tildenres: Learn to spell grammar.

Ajc_cf627

Ok, here are some undisbutable facts for teachers salarys in the Chippewa Area School District.
Low Salary $ 26,263
High Salary $ 64,531
Average Salary $ 45,791
Average Fringe $ 24,270
Taken from Wisconsin DPI website.http://dpi.wi.gov/lbstat/newasr.html
If my calculations are correct that would be an average of $70,061 combined salary and fringe. Ask your employer what your fringe benifits add up to be on top of your wages.

chihistudent

To chippewaresident: Absolutely NONE of my teachers have talked about losing their homes or the monetary aspect of the bill. Ask your neice what teacher said that and get back to me through here.

Ajc_cf627

To OVERPAID said: "This one plays duck-duck-goose all day
Get your facts straight! What you are quoting is the high end.
Low is $ 20,074 /High is $98,081/Average salary is 52,605/ Average fringe is $27,940. Also keep in mind when you comparing wages that a lot of teachers hold a masters degree.
http://dpi.wi.gov/lbstat/newasr.html

OVERPAID

Or just check this site for teacher's salaries...

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

Rainmaker

Wisconsin's Board of Regents has approved pay raises for head coach Bret Bielema and offensive coordinator Paul Chryst (both state employees). Bielema's total compensation package will increase to $2,500,000 million in the next academic year. Chryst will get a base raise to $405,000 a year plus annual additions of $100,000 through Jan. 31, 2016.

Don't tell me we don't have enough money.

JR

This is the "I don't care where they get the money to shore up the deficit as long as it doesn't affect me syndrome."
Thanks Gov. Walker for attaching a very unpopular and tough situation. He should, however, include the police and firefighters also.

Keepin it Real

Ashley I'm glad your brother asked great questions and rationalized the situation and stayed at School today. I saw some of the Students today and talked with some of them and they didn't have a Clue why there were walking other something the Walker dude was doing... Give me a Break... As usual Shore Nut Job. This isn't even about the right to Protest it's much more.....I support anyone's right to protest. Oh did you find our Missing Democrat State Senators? They need to do their JOB

OVERPAID


Ajc_cf627

is a master's degree required to teach duck-duck-goose?? If so, why?? Inform me... please!!

OVERPAID


.... and that's not a "high" and "low".... that's Sherry Perrin's take home pay. See for yourself....

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

Rainmaker

Students should not get scolded for stepping up for a cause they may or may not understand completely. They should just go out and do it for the experience. At least it gets them actively participating in the democratic process. Its something different than the current generation's APATHY.

This Guy

It's weird that the firefighters union and police union both supported Scott Walker and now he is not including them in this budget repair bill. They will maintain their collective bargaining rights. Wait, is weird the right word?

chippewaresident

To ChiHiStudent: Yes and there were several witnesses in class with her. We are filing a complaint with the school...all while her brother is at the middle school and he said one of his 8th grade teachers sat her desk all of class period and cried! REALLY?!!?! You are being brainwashed and I am very sorry to hear that. Not only that, but are you really a student at ChiHi, if so why aren't you in class?

Rainbird

Our Democratic state senators are doing their job. They are protecting the public that voted them into office. They are helping build a stronger country by supporting labor. Overpaid, do you feel qualified to teach? Because I don't really think you are. But, Overpaid, unions are even protecting *your* wages. When a union employee bargens for that higher wage, there is a much better chance higher wages are going to trickle down to you than a corporate tax break will.

Rainbird

Teachers and other state employees will loose homes and lives over this. Because busting the union is only the first step.

Rainbird

[quote]I Love Chippewa said: "Rainbird give me an example of low pay and long hours. Are you talking private and public teachers?"[/quote]

Do you actually know how much work teachers put into their job? Do you know how many hours? Or do you only remember the time you put in as a high school student years and years ago and assume the teachers worked the same schedule?

goingbroke

Since when do teachers have the right to use our children for there benefit.
If teachers have problems now you all better hope not a one of our children get hurt over this.
STOP USING OUR KIDS FOR ALL YOUR PROBLEMS before its to late and then you will have a bigger problem. Trust Me!

reader111

Rainbird, stop being so overdramatic. People are not going to lose their homes and lives becaue of this, UNLESS the people are over-extended to begin with. They are not going to lose their jobs, they are just going to be required to pay for benefits that the rest of us have to pay. We all make scarifices, it's time union employees step up to the plate. Are they above the rest of us? If they want to protest, fine, but don't bring my kid into their personal fight!

Ajc_cf627

To OVERPAID : You might wanto read my post again. I stated that a "lot" of teachers have master degrees, not all. I do not know what the requirements are for a physical education position. In fact it was in your post that you stated this person held a bachlors degree.

OVERPAID

I guess what it all boils down to… is when they took their teaching positions; they took jobs in the public sector. The boss of the public sector is “We the people”. As your boss, I regret to inform you that you will not be getting a raise this year; maybe even a slight deduction. We do appreciate your efforts, and hope that you stick with us until times are better. If you have to find a better job in the private sector, we understand….. and we’re sorry.

student789

i am a student at chi hi. i also have a class that all we do is talk about politics. In the class, we are all free to have are own opinion on things and a are incouraged to express them. I dont think that all the people that say that High School students have no idea what this really means really know what they are talking about. Well i know at least i do. this is wrong that Scott Walker is not even giving the time to negotiate the bill. I agree, some things need to happen, but not this much!!

I Love Chippewa

Rainbird, I wanted you to compare private and public teachers. Public make twice as much and better benefits. Just remember that teachers are seasonal. End first week of June and start at the end of August. Just remember when talking about comparing wages to the private sector to add two and a half months of salaries. Don't get me wrong that teachers work very hard. I had many great teachers from the Chippewa School district. I just think it is time for them to pay their portion.

tolole

My sis brings home $1200/2 wks working in area schools. She pays $600/month in childcare. She works abt 50 hrs/week, year-round. This new bill will take her health insurance from $500+ to $800+/month. She already qualifies for many government plans. This is one person. Just think of everyone who will need to turn to economic assistance! FYI: My daughter is at Chi Hi in Poli Sci. She is more educated on this than most adults. She did not take part in the walk-out due to other commitments.

I Love Chippewa

tolole, then your sister shouldn't have had so many kids if she can't afford the day care. Maybe get another job like everyone else. Live within her means. Maybe cancel that cell phone or cable tv.

OVERPAID

tolole

Not wanting to alarm you, buuuuttt... you should warn your sister that her "assistance" comes out of the same pool of money.... you know....the pool that's empty. So she shouldn't bank on it too much longer.

OVERPAID

tolole

..... who knows???? She might even have to get rid of her cell phone, cable, and maybe even the internet!! EEEHHHHH!!!

Wondering Alooud

Well Overpaid your reference gives incorrect results on some people I did check. But, be that as it may it is clear that there is a significant divorce from reality on the part of a lot of people.

Let me ask a few questions, What is a reasonabel pay rate for a professional with 6+ years of college and a decade of experience? Minimum wage?
What is the per student cost in Catholic vs public schools?
How long has it been since teachers in Chippewa Falls got any kind of pay raise?

Wondering Alooud

In case anyone is wondering the "average" teacher in the Chippewa School district does indeed have a masters degree and more than 10 years of experience. The max $64,000+ scale is for someone with a PhD and more than 17 years of experience. Since the district will not hire a teacher with a PhD and a teacher would have to quit in order to do the residence year for any PhD there are NO teachers in the district at that salary step.

tolole

Nice try, but this is for one child. Her daycare provider makes much more money than she does.

[quote]I Love Chippewa said: "tolole, then your sister shouldn't have had so many kids if she can't afford the day care. Maybe get another job like everyone else. Live within her means. Maybe cancel that cell phone or cable tv."[/quote]

tolole

Nice try again. I said she qualifies. Many out there do, but they do not take advantage of the system.

I appreciate your kind thoughts, though.

[quote]OVERPAID said: "tololeNot wanting to alarm you, buuuuttt... you should warn your sister that her "assistance" comes out of the same pool of money.... you know....the pool that's empty. So she shouldn't bank on it too much longer."[/quote]

empire 2

Student 789 how much do you pay for your medical insurance and retirement?The tax paying public voted Walker in and he is doing the job we want. 12% for medical and 5% for pension? That is a joke,it should be at least 25% ( I believe that is pretty much the going rate) I talked to a guy today who is paying 500.00 per month for his medical, he is also working 2 jobs. Do you get it now student 789 ? Public workers MUST start bearing the burden of their benefits because the rest of can't any more.

ReelBuilder

My earlier post noted that Mr. Sauter made the announcement over the PA and I've been told HE DID NOT. Sorry Mr. Sauter. I've also been told the teachers are not to discuss the issue in class, which only makes sense although I'm sure a couple days ago some statements were made in the HEAT of the momment?
This is just a start of State cuts that will affect us all so we need to be united and share the burden.This also includes our Dem legislators!! Good Luck.

Rainmaker

The ploy by the right wing agenda is to not talk about the fact that the proposed bill takes away bargaining rights. I listened to Walker's 4:45 press deal and he somehow failed to mention that in is briefing. Its slight of hand. Its leaving out details that makes him dishonest. Walker lied by not telling the whole truth. Walker is saying he will not sit down with the unions. You have to listen to what the liars don't say.

OVERPAID

This info is from last year. I'm sure the wages and benefits are higher now. The salary info is taken from the state archives.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary Database:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

Will Opine

It's for the children,huh?
2010 $142,500 Thomas Hughes District Administrator Chippewa Falls Area Sch Dist
2010 $100,728 Jennifer Starck Director of Instruction/Program Supervisor Chippewa Falls Area Sch Dist
2010 $100,728 Chad Trowbridge Business Manager Chippewa Falls Area Sch Dist
2010 $100,728 Claudia Dempsey Director of Special Education and/or Pupil Services Chippewa Falls Area Sch Dist

Conservative4ever

Just to sort of clear things up... A student NOT teacher came over the intercom to announce the mob would meet at the Cardinal doors... BUT a teacher (I won't say their name because if you do the digging it's obvious who it was) must punch in a certain code to have allowed the student to speak into the phone (the new phones allow anyone, anywhere to talk over the loudspeaker with the code punched-in)... From a Chi-Hi student: THE TEACHERS PRACTICALLY TOLD THE STUDENTS TO PROTEST!

Sand-Blaster

Lord Walker & [his] Subjects seem to believe they can run amok.
Run roughshod over collective bargaining rights (constitutionally guaranteed or or not).

I believe the (Main) issue here is Bargaining Rights.
Few that I have spoken with disagree that public employees need to pay more toward Retirement/Pension & Insurance.

Legislators;
When you "tickle the porcupine" he just may "blow his coat"
Hint: QUILLS!!!

Abraham

I would like to hear what the parents think about their children being allowed to walk out of school? Back when I was in high school this was called skipping school and truency, a serious offense that the local police got involved in. To make matters even worse, this was supported and allowed to happen by the school management and staff. It would seem that this would have violated a law somewhere along the way. Did all of the children eventually make it home ok? What pompous, selfesh staff!

brainfreezer1

Some facts about the student walkout:
1. Teachers were instructed the prior day not to discuss Walker's bill.
2. Teachers were told that we were not to physically impede any exodus--parents are quick to sue, you know.
3. Students knew that being marked absent was a consequence and that it would be treated as any other unexcused absence.
4. Some students had gained prior permission/excuses from parents.
5. As a teacher, I wish parents and community members were this concerned about kids every day

Wondering Alooud

Overpaid
Having the supposed data from last year most certainly does not mean it is higher now. My wages are dropping at about $1000 per year and have been for a while.

My offer still stands, since I am overpaid let me know when you match my qualifications, than you can have my job.

I Love Chippewa

Wondering Alooud, please inform us of your qualifications and what your pay and benefits are? I can't give you an answer until you provide the facts.

Does an elementary teacher with a Masters Degree mean they are a better teacher than one with a Bachelors Degree. Because they get paid about $25,000 more.

Rainbird

Thomas Montag, CEO Bank of America Corp. - $29,930,431
John Havens, CEO Citigroup Inc. - $11,276,454
James Dimon, CEO JPMorgan Chase & Co. - $15,518,794
John Stumpf, Wells Fargo - $21,340,547
Lloyd Blankfein, CEO The Goldman Sachs $9,862,657
closer to home,
Gale E. Klappa, WISCONSIN ENERGY CORP $11,579,228 (btw the average worker at WEC makes $32,048)
Will Opine, what is your point? Overpaid, why can't you post some private sector salary info instead of just spamming us with the same thing?

OVERPAID


The only qualification of teaching someone, is knowing more than they do in any particular subject. I think you know this. What you are stating is just knee-jerk defense reaction, which is totaly natural and expected. I think you know I'm not incompetent. I like great teachers... and I'm sure you fit the bill. But we need to balance the budget, for everyone in the state.

matty

Just some simple notes for everyone: #1- Keep in mind that Wisconsin has a huge deficit. Cuts have to start somewhere...and they're not over yet! #2- Teachers and State employees SHOULD have to pay for their benefits just like EVERYONE else. #3- EVERYONE should have the right to bargain wages and benefits...for THEMSELVES. #4- We are all NOT equal. #5- If you don't like your job...LEAVE! There's nothing more pathetic than listening to someone complain about a job they signed up for.

Rainbird

Quite an interesting video here from MSNBC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNlKsnX3yj8

How do you rationalize the removal of the right of collective bargaining?

OVERPAID


rainbird:

I don't post private sector salary info because they are not paying those people with MY MONEY!!! MY TAX DOLLARS!! I'm not sure why that is so confusing. School portion of taxes increased 20% this year.... my income decreased 20% this year... that's 40% loss. The teacher's 8% is nothing!!

mom202

To the person who said I should homeschool. I did homeschool my children last year. They now attend a online virtual school. My 11th grader has a 4.0 gpa and is scheduled to graduate early and my 7th grader has all A's. In the grand scheme of things nobody wins. If the teachers have their way there will be layoffs if they don't get their way they will feel unappreciated. Like my deceased dad always said MONEY,MONEY,MONEY no one wins when you argue about money.

Rainbird

Well, overpaid, you can always take a public sector job. You talk about how highly those teachers are paid. Quit your whining and get employed. Maybe you will learn you have it pretty easy where you are at.

Wilson

Well this is very lovely. We have a middle class war going on here. We are all inter-connected. If I am a public worker my wages are returned to the community by paying taxes and purchasing goods and services that fund the wages of the private sector. If I choose to work in a public sector job and you work in a private sector job is it not the best for all of us if a union can make wages, working hours and working conditions better for all? We are fighting in a house that is burning down !

momofmany

I have a problem when kids are missing school because the teachers decide to call in sick. In our district, they did have school and many of the kids planned a walk-out. Kids were running around town; some are driving with carloads of kids blowing their horns. I'd be willing to bet, the majority had no idea why they walked out. Go ahead and protest - ON A SATURDAY - or after school. Do not use our kids.

Cristobal

Why are so many emptying the schools when the present bill does not even pertain to teachers?
Why is a small faction trying to exert their force to change a bill from a governor who was overwhelmingly elected and actually doing what he said he was going to do?

Cristobal

I think it is a poor example which our teachers, and others, provide students whom they claim to love so much by going to the State Capitol and dissrupting the politicians, threatening staffers, blocking access to stairs and bathrooms and vandalizing the State Capitol. I think it is ridiculous that unions are busing in members from outside the state to protest (this really represents what this issue is all about, not the students). A terrible example, as someone said of "Might makes right."

Will Opine

Wilson,
" If I am a public worker my wages are returned to the community by paying taxes and purchasing goods."
The money came from the private sector to begin with.
If a public sector employee is payed $40,000,and pays $10,000 in income tax,the tax payer is paying the $30,000 balance.
The money put back into the economy by public sector employees came out of the economy to pay them.

Merlin

[quote]RushHatesAmericans said: "Look at me! I'm on the internets! I can say what I want because my opinion is so important! Where's Merlin and his/her insufferable BS!?"[/quote]

Are you always drunk? Or are you really functionally illiterate?

Merlin

[quote]Alan_Shore said: "Walker asked Doyle to delay negotations- HE NEVER SAID- he would abolish Unions and collective bargaining? Isnt that bad faith"[/quote]

I don't see anyone trying to abolish a union, that's liberal spin. I see some one trying to fix Doyle's mess. The only bad faith here is that Doyle tried to ram through the budget and put off the union for another 2 years. We the people don't "owe" the union an explanation, we spoke in November.

OVERPAID

Will Opine:

It doesn't matter what $ figures you're using. We the people aren't willing or able to pay the teachers what they think they deserve. Sorry, that's how it works with a public sector job. Personally, I think Scott Walker could use a bigger knife... his cuts aren't going deep enough to fix the years of union abuse.

RushHatesAmericans

Stinger, didn't you once use an image of GOD as your avatar? Also, I'm a socialist, not a communist.

Merlin, I'm always drunk.

brainfreezer1

1. If kids don't understand what's going on and teachers aren't supposed to talk about it, then parents need to step up to the plate; these kids are not dumb.
2. Since this protest was organized via Facebook, where were the PARENTS. Don't you monitor your children and their computer use? Why didn't you tell them not to participate?
3. It's interesting that when seniors start skipping school in May to go drink and party at places like Big Falls, parents have no problem excusing these absences.

RushHatesAmericans

Hmm, I just had dinner with my daddy last night Stinger. He's a wonderful man, a loving grandfather to my daughter, and a veteran. He's more of a man than you'll ever be.

RushHatesAmericans

It's kinda sirry,
but not rearry,
cuz it's firring my body with rage.

OVERPAID

Huh?? I didn't think a Union would make this much noise when it died....


Wisconsin Teacher Salary Database:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

GuildedSplinters

[quote]Mine is from a “peaceful” mural in the Library of Congress, depicting a serious but calm woman holding the words: A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.”

The Library of Congress, however, is a part of the federal government, run by civil servants, many of whom got their jobs due to affirmative action. I would posit, therefore, that a mural from the Library of Congress would not be a fitting avatar of a very conservative thinker such as yourself.

mc4314

"When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children." - Former American Federation of Teachers President Al Shanker 1974-1997.

So why aren't any of the students waving signs around with that quote???

empire 2

Why does a teacher get paid more if she has a masters degree than if she doesn't and either way she is teaching lets say, freshman biology.Teachers should be paid on the basis of the job they do like everyone else.For example, if you have a CDL license to drive a combination truck but drive a UPS truck, you will be paid for driving the smaller UPS truck not the semi.What fool negotiated this aspect into a teachers salary? Way to many bennies!!!! We can't afford anymore.

ha ha good one

Right empire! If we can hire a governor who can't complete a college education, why do we need educated teachers? Why should they be compensated for keeping current in their field? You want us to be able to compete globally with hillbillies teaching our kids. You ain't so smart yourself.

gbjordan

[quote]empire 2 said: "Why does a teacher get paid more if she has a masters degree...and either way she is teaching lets say, freshman biology."[/quote]

You're exactly right. And, unions have been and are continuing to ruin the education system. Teachers are paid based on their years of service, not on their merit. You want a better education, get better educators. The only way you can do that is to get rid of the bad ones, and the only way to do that is to get rid of the unions.

chippfalls39

[quote]Rainmaker said: "Wisconsin's Board of Regents has approved pay raises for head coach Bret Bielema and offensive coordinator Paul Chryst (both state employees). Bielema's total compensation package will increase to $2,500,000 million in the next academic year. Chryst will get a base raise to $405,000 a year plus annual additions of $100,000 through Jan. 31, 2016.Don't tell me we don't have enough money."[/quote]

The football program is a MONEY MAKER... not a LOSER. Get it?

chippfalls39

[quote]OVERPAID said: "I guess what it all boils down to… is when they took their teaching positions; they took jobs in the public sector. The boss of the public sector is “We the people”. As your boss, I regret to inform you that you will not be getting a raise this year; maybe even a slight deduction. We do appreciate your efforts, and hope that you stick with us until times are better. If you have to find a better job in the private sector, we understand….. and we’re sorry. "[/quote] WELL PUT

Busy working

If you ask anybody other than a public worker what they think of this issue they will tell you its about time! even federal employees are saying its about time!!!! He was a postman

Busy working

You union people will find out the next election how silly you really are acting when govenor walker wins by a landslide!!!

OVERPAID


Here's an example of UNION SLUG logic:

I work at Wendy's making hamburgers(the square ones)... But I try to better my life by going to college; and, over several years, I earn my master's degree. I should get paid $125,000/year to make hamburgers right?? Afterall, I have a master's degree and 10 years of service!!

And they want to negotiate.... NO THANKS.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary Database:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

mom202

To all the kids that are marching around and supporting the teachers. Please ask your parents how much of their property taxes go to the school district. I showed my kids our tax bill so they know how much the school is getting.Then ask your parents how much more they would like to pay for taxes. When you the students start to pay property taxes then march around and protest.

Rainbird

[quote]chippfalls39 said: "The football program is a MONEY MAKER... not a LOSER. Get it?"[/quote]

No, the students are the money makers, not some football program. By educating our society we all do better. By teaching a few students football they provide entertainment and beer sales.

Rainbird

[quote]gbjordan said: " You want a better education, get better educators. The only way you can do that is to get rid of the bad ones, and the only way to do that is to get rid of the unions. "[/quote]

No, that doesn't work. Lets take a factory example. You get paid by how many widgets you produce. (You will make fast crappy widgets) Or, you get paid for the quality of your widgets (You won't make many). The only model that works is experience and dedication. And reward.

SUPPORT

dear ReelBuilder. i am a student at chi-hi and i would like to inform you that Dr. Sauter did NOT make the announcement over the PA system. every phone in the school has access to the PA system with the correct code there for you find a way to get that code and a student willing to risk alot to stand up for what he/she believes in and thats who made the announcement. he/she also got a 3 day suspension for doing so. so before you go making any rash comments on here please get your facts straight.

Alan_Shore

OPey thats my nic for OVERPAID

not for nothing simpleton- wendy's didn't create a employee classification whereby granting preference to persons with college degrees to make a better hamburger- Local government doesnt require a continued education for Burger making therefore demanding 125k to make burgers seems - well to make as much sense as the rest of your gibberish

oh and heres my link http://www.scottwalkerfailurefiles.com/

your being paid to be here right- get better will you

Alan

mom202

Well I guess the students at Chi-Hi have a right to speak just not during the school day outside of the school. I would have liked to have had a camera to ask them exactly what they were demonstrating. Do you think they would know? Other than I love my teacher and I'm doing it for them. The campus is not an open campus during the day. I may be ignorant but I knew I did a great service to my kids when I pulled them from the Chippewa School.

Wondering Alooud

I Love Chippewa

My B.S. Degree is in Chemmistry and Physics. My teaching credentials are seperate I have A masters degree in science education with the credits for seperate masters degrees in physics, chemistry and geology eduction.

The last private sector job I turned down started at 85% higher than my public school teacher pay. I left engineering because I needed to do something more important with my life. That doesn't mean I like be riped off or abused.

My offer stands.

OVERPAID

Big Al....

Alan, Alan, Alan.....Ask anyone.... my burgers are the best.... And if I don't get $125,000/year it's going to hurt all the other businesses in town, just wait and see!!! bahb habhabhhahha!!!

ooops, I don't get paid unless I post this...

Wisconsin Teacher Salary Database:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

Wondering Alooud

Well Mom202
I am glad for you.

My kid did just fine in Chippewa Falls public schools. Earning two years of college credit and the opportunity to participate in a huge variety of things from public service projects to music to athletics. I am very familiar with area private schools and home school programs. There is no way they could have matched his experience.

Just a thought, maybe people who do poorly in public schools may at least in part have themselves to blame?

mom202

My kids did do well in public school when they were in there. They were straight A students and did participate in sports, music, and other social activities. We as a family decided to leave the school system after dealing with some things we did not agree with in the school system. In the long run we all have to do what is best for the children and their future. I urge everyone to watch Waiting for Superman and be glad we here in Chippewa Falls at least have some choice.

OVERPAID

Wondering:

With all those degrees, you must be pretty smart. So it shouldn't take you long to figure this out:

Folks like mom202 and I are your boss… Here is the job and benefits we are offering..... Take it or leave it.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary Database:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

chihistudent

[quote]chippewaresident said: "You are being brainwashed and I am very sorry to hear that. Not only that, but are you really a student at ChiHi, if so why aren't you in class? "[/quote] Yes, in fact, I am currently a student at Chi Hi. How am I being brainwashed? Just because none of my teachers talked about the monetary aspect? I only had one teacher actually talk about the bill, and it was only a 30 second conversation, because this teacher said, "I shouldn't be talking about this."

chippfalls39

[quote]Wondering Alooud said: "My offer still stands, since I am overpaid let me know when you match my qualifications, than you can have my job."[/quote] I responded to this once before - but it was removed for some reason. Qualifications are important, but more important is being there to TEACH my children in an unbiased way. Not to discuss your wage, family woes, and religious ideals. It's a privilage to teach - you're not entitled to this.

chippfalls39

Middle School teachers complained to students about how this bill will cause them to have to get others jobs, lose their homes, not be able to raise their own children. My son didn't walk out (afraid I'd be mad - good call), my step daughter did... and now regrets it after getting morei information. Teachers and staff should not have allowed students to leave - and if they knew a day or two before they should have notified parents so we could discuss with our children. Take us by surprise?

chippfalls39

[quote]chihistudent said: " ...I only had one teacher actually talk about the bill, and it was only a 30 second conversation, because this teacher said, "I shouldn't be talking about this.""[/quote]
And he/she still did talk about it? Against the warning sent out by administration? Great example to students.

Wondering Alooud

Chipfalls39

Your assumption that I said anything to my classes is in error. I did try to make one student think when he was trying to pick a fight between classes.

Asking kids to think is what I do.

There is no such thing as unbiased, though I know what you mean. Here is something for you to think about. How long will conservative teachers like me last when our fate is determined by administrators? Than how unbiased will it be?

Wondering Alooud

Overpaid

If I was doing it for the money I wouldn't be teaching I wouldn't be any good at it, and I wouldn't be here. The vast majority of my students are very glad that I am here. While I accept a lower salary because what I do is vital to the future of our country; that doesn't mean I appreciate being lied about and abused.

Also I do have a family to support. Interestingly no one has contacted me about my offer which I first made publicly 18 years ago.

Only The Beginning

For those of you that like to knock me when I'm already down, just keep knocking. You are makin' the far left rhetoric sound more legitimate. Quit attacking people and start attacking the policy and the government that got us into this mess. Otherwise, you will alienate me to the point where you won't be getting any more conservative votes out of me, that's for sure!

OVERPAID

Okay.... you guys HAVE to be getting tired.... I do this for a living, and I'm exhausted!!! Too many dammed websites in Wisconsin. I might have to talk to the boss about a pay raise... anyone care to help me before they make it illegal??

Wisconsin Teacher Salary Database:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/99999999/APC0110/80221166

OVERPAID

After this, I no longer have to post anything…. This gentlemen sums it all up in one short little video. This is the SLUG that the tax payers are supposed to be negotiating with….. wow

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/aflcio-chief-raising-taxes-will-create-jobs-yftt_535955.html

chihistudent

[quote]chippfalls39 said: "And he/she still did talk about it? Against the warning sent out by administration? Great example to students."[/quote] Who ever said the administration warned teachers not to talk about it?

chippfalls39

[quote]chihistudent said: " Who ever said the administration warned teachers not to talk about it?"[/quote]
I called the principal at the Middle School the next day - to voice my concerns and find out first hand about what happened. He told me that letters were sent out to all teachers (maybe only Middle School, I'm not sure) warning them not to discuss this with students - to carry out the day as normal.

chippfalls39

Teachers and Public Workers
Please don't get me wrong, I truly appreciate the jobs you do. As in any occupation, some are better than others. I have good days & bad - but I am a commissioned sales person with no benefits. The only reason people may seem to be attacking you is because wages, benefits, & bargoning power are now on the table... which they have always been for anyone outside of state and fed jobs. The economy is dictating a change,we all are making sacrifices. Keep up great teaching

Wondering Alooud

Chipfalls39 If Walker had said what you said this fight would never have happened and he'd already have the budget cuts he actually claims he needs. Instead he lead off with a howling big lie that public employees got higher compensation than private sector employees, followed it with another total fib that they wouldn't lose collective bargaining rights and continued downhill from there. Either he is trying to cause unrest, he is dishonest, or he just isn't very smart.

Wondering Alooud

Overpaid, You are not my boss any more than I kid having a temper tantrum because he doesn't want to do his homework is my boss. I work for the collective good of the community. Is there some reason you are trying to make this into anti intellectual class warfare? Do you hate the Chippewa Falls community? Or just the educated members of it? I believe your statement that you are not a Republican. Because your reasoning reminds me very much of Pol Pot.

gbjordan

[quote]Rainbird said: "No, that doesn't work. Lets take a factory example. You get paid by how many widgets you produce. (You will make fast crappy widgets) Or, you get paid for the quality of your widgets (You won't make many). The only model that works is experience and dedication. And reward."[/quote]
There are no factories because the widget maker's union negotiated him and his 16 years a $20/hour salary. In order to compete in the global market, the factory had to move...

jamon_b

So a student uses the school intercom - which I assume is controlled in the office - and no one at the school has an issue with this? As much as I love teachers and schools - this is a textbook example of why I fully support Gov. Walker. Our unions have made a mess of a lot of State agencies - including our own school if they allow this to happen.

PS - Is this really newsworthY? When I was in school, I would've protested bacon if it got me out of class...

gbjordan

Employees are protected by employment laws, they don't need unions holding them back. Honor your contract (arrive by 8, leave no earlier than 4..and no later than 4:15, get your grades in on time, don't send texts to students) and you can't be touched. Don't give me the BS that because a teacher has managed to stick around for 10 years they're good. I hire based on whether I think somebody can do the job, and I increase pay based on how well they do it, that's how I ensure quality.

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